Fix Fat and Thin Golf Shots – Low Point 2.0

Fix Fat and Thin Golf Shots – Low Point 2.0

Do you want to find out how to fix your fat and thin shots? Want to spin the ball better? Desire more consistency and distance control? Need more total distance too?

Of course you do.

Last month, we discussed the idea of the swing arc, low point and contact point with the ground. If you haven’t yet read that article CLICK HERE NOW to be redirected. Alternatively, the information in this article should still make sense.

This week, we look at how to fix potential problems, and what other effects that might have on the ball flight. Let’s go!

 

 

The issue – Fat shots

Below is a common issue with many golfers of a middle handicap. They have learned how to hit the occasional decent shot (so their low point is in front of the ball slightly), but the first point of contact with the ground is too far behind the ball (red star), causing lower energy transference, distance, spin and consistency.

Fat

In this scenario, we have two options available to us (there is a third, more advanced way, but we will discuss this in future articles). We can

  • Push the low point of the swing farther forwards
  • Raise the swing arc height

 

Both will have the effect of shifting the contact point with the ground farther forwards, creating a better strike quality.

 

 

Raising the arc

If we raise the swing arc, it will have the desired effect, as shown below.

raise arc

This will also have the effect of maintaining

  • angle of attack into the ball (or slightly shallowing, depending on how it is done)
  • club path
  • face to path values
  • dynamic loft
  • bounce

 

(depending upon how it is done). This can be a better option for people who desire to strike the ball/turf better without sacrificing peak shot height (as it doesn’t tend to affect dynamic loft and angle of attack negatively). As a result, slower speed players will get a great advantage out of this, being able to hit it farther and carry the ball longer distances in the air.

It will also be a very good option for players playing from lush fairways, or where the ball is sitting up nicely. The main disadvantage with this approach is that you can lose some contact crispness when the grass is longer, and hitting out of rough becomes more of an issue. Players may also be more prone to ‘drop kicks’ on tight/links-style lies than using our next option.

 

 

Shift the Arc

Another option we have is to shift the low point of the swing forwards. This is seen below;

low point forwards

The old fat shot (transparent) is shifted forwards, so the low point goes much further in front of the ball. The divot depth is the same, but the contact point with the ground is closer to the ball.

As the ball is hit earlier in the swing arc (more towards the yellow part), shifting the low point forwards in this way (if no other changes are made) tends to

  • steepen AOA
  • reduce dynamic loft (relatively)
  • reduce bounce
  • make club path more to the right (for the same swing direction)

 

Also, if done dynamically (after set up – e.g. via weight shift), it tends to produce a more open/less closed face to path relationship. If done statically (E.g. by putting the ball back in stance and then squaring the face back up to the target) it tends to produce a more closed/less open face to path relationship. This is quite a complex concept, and I will cover this and simplify it in future articles.

Due to the tendency to reduce the dynamic loft at impact and steepen the angle of attack, the resulting ball flight may be lower than normal. For a high swing speed player, this can be an advantage to control the trajectory of the shot, and it is essentially what we would do in a ‘punch shot’. Conversely, for slower speed players, this may result in a ball flight that resembles an Exocet missile, reducing carry distance (and even total distance in some respects).

The above style can also be advantageous from rough, as the club comes in with a steeper AOA, and will trap less grass between the club face and ball. As it tends to reduce bounce, it can be a better shot from very tight lies, like a cart path or some links turf – minimizing the risk of drop-kick thins.

 

 

What about thin/topped shots?

There could be two causes of a thin shot (there is a third but it is less commonly seen).

  • a low point which is too far forwards (and the arc height doesn’t match)
  • a low point which is too far behind

 

I’ll go through these a little more briefly, as it is simply the same as above but in reverse. Let’s look at the first one

topped in front

The above example is actually more common with average players than you would imagine. The low point of the swing (black line) is in front of the ball, but the arc height is not deep enough to create a functional contact with the ground – hence it’s striking the equator of the ball.

Typically, this happens with amateurs when their swing direction gets too far left, which puts the lowest point of the swing a long way in front of the ball.  Also, the body movement dynamics of an amateur can cause this to happen.

Here, we have two options available to us, as before, which are;

  • shifting the low point backwards
  • dropping the height of the swing arc

 

Both will have the effect of shifting the contact point with the ground farther back so it meets the ball, however, both may produce different results with other impact variables. Let’s have a look.

 

Shift it back

This can be a dangerous one for amateurs, as many of you already have a low point which is too far back, or even behind the ball. For this reason, make sure to consult your instructor on the best way for you – they can also guide you with how to do it.

shift low point back for topped

In the above picture, we see the old low point (very far forwards in transparent) being replaced by a low point which is farther back, making the contact point with the ground (red star) in a more appropriate place.

Again, to re-iterate, how you do this is important too, which is why you should see your instructor. There are so many ways to move the low point backwards that you need to find one which fits in with your current swing motion and makes it better.

By shifting the low point back like this, as the ball is being hit later in the swing arc (more in the purple part), the

  • Angle of attack is shallower
  • Club will have more loft at impact
  • The bounce of the club will be increased

 

Also, the face to path relationship (affecting slice/hook spin) tends to change depending on whether the low point was shifted dynamically (during the movement), or in set up (statically). I will discuss these more in later articles.

This change tends to produce a higher shot, so it can be good for players who launch the ball too low, and as it doesn’t dig as much into the ground, it tends to be a bit more forgiving and better on lush grass.

 

Go deep

There is another option we can use for our player who has the low point in front of the ball and is thinning it. However, I would be careful with this option, as if your low point is already a long way in front of the ball it can cause issues (massive divots). I would tend to use this only in certain scenarios, E.g. with a higher speed player in a progression to a later model, or when a player’s low point is not dramatically in front of the ball (as shown below). We can drop the swing arc deeper – as shown below;

drop the arc for thinned

Here we see the old swing in transparent, with a low point marginally in a nice place, but the swing arc is simply not matching (too high). The newer swing (more opaque) sees a drop in arc height so it is actually creating a strike with the turf in a better place.

When we use this method, we tend to maintain

  • angle of attack
  • face to path relationships
  • dynamic loft
  • bounce

 

This allows us to keep the peak height of our shots, so for players who are already launching the ball too high, this might be a good option (although there are other ways to change height of shot which may be better).

 

Warning

If your low point is already significantly in front of the ball and you decided to do the above method, you may find that the divots get really deep.

drop the arc for topped2

In the above example, we see a lowest point of the swing which is already very far in front of the ball but the ball is topped. Dropping the arc here may produce a better ground contact, but as the ball is hit in the earlier part (yellow) of the swing arc, dynamic loft is reduced, angle of attack is incredibly steep and divots will be massive (as shown).

Not a good combo.

 

 

But, I do both

What if you are player who both fats and thins the ball?

Well, let’s face it, the realities of golf mean that everyone will fall into this camp to some extent – even top pros occasionally fat and thin it. However, for beginners and high handicappers especially, they can fall into the category of having the low point too far behind the ball, as shown below;

low point behind - no chance

Our golfer in the picture above has no chance of solid contact at the moment. As their low point is so far behind the ball, if they hit the ground at all it is a foot behind the ball (red star). The player then links up in their mind that contacting the ground must be a bad thing – swings the next one higher and a topped shot ensues.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place – literally.

The answer in this problem is to shift the low point farther forwards for both the fat and thinned/topped shots. However, you might have to ask why a player has this type of low point position, and in most cases it is due to their understanding of how to strike a golf ball effectively (they may think they have to scoop it in the air), or the player desires to launch the ball higher than they should be.

 

 

Are you really in this camp?

Lots of people suffer both fats and thins not because their low point is behind the ball, but because of poor arc height control. For example, they may have a low point which is in front of the ball, but due to an inability to control how high the swing arc is, they can achieve both fat and thin shots, as shown below.

thin and fat

In the above scenario you could believe that you fall into the category of having the low point too far behind the ball, whereas the reality is you are just not controlling the height of your swing arc well.

as a very generalized rule,

  • if your divots are always behind the ball (especially your shallower ones where you just cut the grass)
  • with a shallow ‘grass cutting divot’, the ball is in the last 50% of the divot

 

It is a sign that your low point is behind the ball. However, it is best to see an instructor to help guide you with all of this.

If you want to learn more about low point control, including ways to train and improve it based on motor learning research, check out my video series, The Strike Plan. Click the image below to learn more.

Strike plan enter

 

 

Note

Please bear in mind that the above info is simply the basics. There are many more factors involved, but this is a nice introduction to certain topics which many may have never thought of.


The above information is also relative – meaning that if a player were to make a similar motion (same release style, swing direction etc) it would produce the above results. From my experience, in a real world setting, it tends to hold true the vast majority of time.

My aim with this information is to help players and instructors to understand this area a little more, and be able to connect the dots between what happened and why a little better. I know that in my own game, this way of thinking really helped me to correct any issues and have more options available to me.

For the best result, work on your low point with the help of your qualified instructor, as they can see how this all fits into the bigger picture, and how to prescribe the correct fixes for your issues.

 

 

Cliff Notes

  • Arc height and low point position must complement each other
  • If you are hitting the ball fat, you could
    • raise your swing arc or
    • shift it forwards to improve contact point with the ground
  • If you are hitting the ball thin, you could
    • go deeper into the ground or
    • move the low point back to improve contact point with the ground
  • If you are hitting both fat and thin because your low point is behind the ball, you may need to shift your low point farther forwards

3 Comments

  • Barry Bent ( PGA Australian

    Hi Adam,
    Really enjoy your articles and admire your knowledge and enthusiasm.
    I am also a PGA member and have been teaching at a public course for 47 years,yes and taught thousands of beginners,club members and tour pros.
    My biggest frustration in all those years is the lesser players ability to engage with the target as they strike the ball. I often say that the great players miss it my hitting too late and the poorer players miss it by hitting – releasing too early.
    I often use the concept of a club to ball swing as against a ball to target swing.
    Your thoughts on the above would be appreciated, Ives used many drills to have the player engage with the target but the head down watch the ball often overrides that.

  • Craig Chandler

    Hello Adam , I’m hoping that you are getting a lot of these comments from golfers? Like myself . I have struggled and I mean struggled with a game that at times resembles golf , and yes I’ve tried various coaches and read nearly every golf tip as well as watching videos with very limited success. My swing has been politely described as being FUNKY at best . However after starting to work through your book The Practice Manual it was and is like a light went off in my head and the penny dropped . My golf game , while still a work in progress, has taken a significant turn for the better . I have really bought into your theories and can only see my game moving onward and upwards . A big thank you for simplifying the golf swing , very much appreciated. Cheers

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